2015 Official Selection: AFI Docs Festival/Brooklyn Film Festival/Montclair Film Festival, +
“Technology is what makes a film like this possible and more importantly, makes it accessible to people who wouldn’t otherwise see it.”
“Comic Book Heaven” director, E.J. McLeavey Fisher sat down with us to discuss this short documentary, telling the story of long time comic book store owner Joe Leisner…
Honey Wagon Confidential: How did you first come across Comic Book Heaven? What inspired you to make the film?
E.J. Mcleavy Fisher: Since I had moved to Sunnyside a few years before, I had seen quite a few businesses open and close and was interested in documenting that process, particularly in a smaller independent business that has seen the neighborhood change over the years. I saw an article about Comic Book Heaven announcing it’s closing in the local blog, The Sunnyside Post so I went over to speak to Joe, figuring it might be a 3 minute piece since the store was supposed to close that month. But it became apparent that he wasn’t quite ready to close yet, and there was a bit more to the story.
HWC: Was Joe Leisner hesitant at first about you shooting a documentary about him and the store?
E.J: He’s a talkative guy as you can see, so the proposition of capturing some of that banter on film definitely interested him. He was comfortable on-camera from the first day and really seemed to enjoy the process.
So often I’m shooting in situations where I have limited time with a subject and this was the complete opposite-I could come by whenever I wanted to shoot which was amazing. It was almost this meditative exercise for me, just setting the camera up and rolling for hours-hours when not a single person would even walk into the store. At times I think Joe felt pressure to make it more interesting because business was so slow-he’d say “What do you want me to do now?” But in those quiet moments when he wasn’t concerned with what I was doing, we got some amazing stuff.
The One and Only, Joe Leisner
HWC: What stylistic choices did you make to bring out or emphasize Joe’s character?
E.J: To bring out Joe’s character on-camera, I had to go against my normal instincts in filming, which is to create a more cinematic and stylized image. A lot of the other work I shoot is more energetic-filming with musicians or athletes. This was the complete opposite-an 82 year old man sitting in an empty store with little to do. So I tried to embrace that atmosphere with long, locked-off takes, shooting on wider lenses to show the empty space that becomes its own character for Joe to play off of. We also experimented a bit with the color grade and gave it its own little arc.
It’s not super obvious, but as the story shifts from summer to winter we gradually cooled the footage off. At first it’s all burnt-out browns and yellows, accentuating the cardboard and paper in the store. But as the seasons shift and the store empties out, we pushed it in a cooler direction that picked up the desolate white walls and inevitably more depressing feeling that crept in as the days of the store were numbered. Then we brought it all back once we see Joe at home in Brooklyn, where he’s a bit happier and energized.
HWC: A lot of the scenes are of Joe’s day to day life. Were these scenes planned or did you simply observe?
E.J: I had the luxury of rolling for hours and not needing anything necessarily momentous to happen. With Joe being the character that he is, he would provide great moments without any direction. But if there was a specific topic that I wanted to cover, I would try and bring it up while he was occupied with a task-checking prices of a book, arranging the shelves- which I found provided for some more poetic rants and would lead to places that I hadn’t initially envisioned.
HWC: What is the hardest part about shooting a documentary in this style?
E.J: The hardest part of shooting this way then, is that we had an insane amount of footage to sort through to whittle it down to a short piece. Joe keeps asking me if I can make him a longer version of the story because we shot so much footage and he wants to see it all. My editor Ethan Simmons did an amazing job (with such patience) in sorting through everything and putting together a cohesive story to follow. Joe repeats himself often too, which worked in our favor because I basically had him telling the same story on-camera in multiple locations and could choose which one to use based on what we wanted to see onscreen.
HWC: Was your process in shooting “Comic Book Heaven” the same as when you shot your previous documentary, “Stacked?”
E.J: “Stacked” was completely different than “Comic Book Heaven.” We shot Stacked during the two weeks that the Quiksilver surf tournament was happening in Long Beach, so we had a pretty strict schedule knowing we had to get it all done in that period of time: getting up at 5 am every day in case the waves were good and the contest was happening, and then being out on the beach most of the day. We were chasing surfers for 10 minute interviews and hoping to capture the best surf footage we could, never knowing which set was going to be a great one. The inconsistencies in surf conditions do not make for favorable production scheduling, but we got really lucky in the end.
With “Comic Book Heaven” though, I pretty much knew what I’d be walking into every time I went to film, and I had control of when I shot. I shot 2 or 3 times a month with Joe from August until January, slowly chipping away at what I felt I needed to tell the story properly. A much more relaxed pace-almost too relaxed. I never thought we’d finish it!
An average day at Comic Book Heaven
HWC: There is a moment towards the end of the film in which Leisner remarks, “I’d like to be content with my life if I can”. He discusses the difficulties of reaching contentment and expresses the belief that technology makes it difficult for people to be content with their own lives. How do you feel about this sentiment?
E.J: It’s definitely something to consider-the fact that we now have so many options for everything, there’s always something new and better out there, etc. But that technology is what makes a film like this possible and more importantly, makes it accessible to people who wouldn’t otherwise see it. It’s not going to play at a theater or on TV, so I can’t support the idea that we’re worse-off because of technology.
Do I see how it can be problematic? Of course. But in terms of Joe’s contentment with his life…I know him well enough now to say that regardless of his situation, he’s going to find something to complain about. The most important part of that closing line is, “That’s just the way life is…” He isn’t necessarily depressed about having that mindset, that’s just the way he talks. He still enjoys himself and I hope that balance comes through in the film.
HWC: We hear Joe is interested in acting now…any comments?
E.J: Joe needs to keep himself busy now that the store is closed and being on-camera in our film has gotten him interested in doing some dramatic work. I made him some headshots and have gotten them in front of casting agents, so hopefully it could work out for him. As he says, he doesn’t care about the money he just wants to land a role! You won’t find a more authentic old-school Brooklyn accent, I’ll tell you that much.
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